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FlamingMetroid · Sep 08, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Melandrus Torment

Tormented Daggers, 15^50%, 20/20, +30, customized.

sundering is horrible on daggers

Unreal Havoc · Sep 08, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I couldn't care less.

Bobby2 · Sep 08, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

If it's [[I am the Strongest] abuse you want, you'd be better off with [[assassin's promise]

MercenaryKnight · Sep 08, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

You could try the buffed flashing blades elite in an attempt to keep yourself alive more in harder areas, while spreading quite a bit of armor ignoring damage to anything that attacks you.

fireflyry · Sep 09, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

MS/DB is better and always will be

QFT.

If your not getting your chain off enough to justify DB spam your doing it wrong.Focus fire does not make a build good.I don't really get people using AS or spiking with deep wound in blossom builds as your really killing your overall DPS output.I'd rather multiple kills quickly than drop a single target in two hits (ignoring AP spike builds) necessitating the need for me to get to another target and restart my chain.

MS/DB will easily overpower your build because your confusing the effectiveness of single target spiking with spammable AoE DPS.You build is really attempting the former while being set up as the latter.

If your wanting to spike down targets do it efficiently and use AP as suggested.AS is single target and you'll get a way better return with the addition of opening up bigger spikes such as [Blades of Steel] + [asuran Scan].

Stuff goes boom.

In saying I usually slot [Save Yourselves!] and have [Splinter Weapon] spam on me hence I prefer my target to stay alive for a few chains.

MsMassacre · Sep 09, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

See? This is why I pretend asuran scan doesn't exist. It does all the work for you. I bet you could put asuran scan in a build with zero other skills and it would be better than most non-asuran scan builds.

-Lotus- · Sep 09, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

sundering is horrible

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Molock · Sep 09, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Sundering is horrible

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

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I have to disagree for scythes and hammers but I digress...

On daggers I personally carry a Vamp set, an elemental set and a rarely used zealous set. Vamp is better than Sundering for daggers and elemental against warriors (or if using a conjure).

-Lotus- · Sep 09, 2008, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by Molock

I have to disagree for scythes and hammers but I digress..

how do you disagree with DPS tests... whatever.

Luminarus · Sep 09, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Iirc Sundering is pretty decent on scythes, axes and hammers because if you trigger with them, and they crits it hurts. However, I do agree that in general vamp is better. I run zealous daggers mostly coz I just like them, and the energy they give me. Spikes vamp, and elemental vs wars.

Anywho, ontopic:

If things are dropping in HM from one combo, it means that the heroes are attacking it as well. To get the most out of a combo in pve, its better to call a target, and then attack another. This means that MS/DB actually gets going and things drop ALOT faster overall.

petrorabbit · Sep 09, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

how do you disagree with DPS tests... whatever.

Maybe because sometimes, my goal is not consistent dps, but to bring down a target as fast as possible with spike damage?

Didn't we go over this already?

legacyofkain85 · Sep 09, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Taixen

I had to read the last part of that post 4 times before it made much sense ^^.

Slightly Off-Topic - I saw a Warrior use IWAY in RA earlier, to make it worse - he had no fallen allies.

But yeah, MS+Death Blossom is a much more effective build imho.

sorry about that i will correct mi post,what i was trying to say is that once upon a time if im not mistaken there were iway teams with an necro using both order of the vampire and order of pain because they stacked ,and the warriors used an ias which stacked with the one from iway,i could be wrong but i remeber i read about this once

Destro Maniak · Sep 09, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85

sorry about that i will correct mi post,what i was trying to say is that once upon a time if im not mistaken there were iway teams with an necro using both order of the vampire and order of pain because they stacked ,and the warriors used an ias which stacked with the one from iway,i could be wrong but i remeber i read about this once

if you have r10 asura like me:
go asuran scan+mobius+death blossom TARGET IS DEAD IN 4 SECOND MAX (with critical agility)
On hardcore too
I just take nearly full monk and I be one of the 2 damage dealer (1 ele 1 me, 1ss 1mm)
And every mob is dead after a minute (I mean the mob as whole)

Asguard · Sep 10, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Destro Maniak

if you have r10 asura like me:
go asuran scan+mobius+death blossom TARGET IS DEAD IN 4 SECOND MAX (with critical agility)
On hardcore too
I just take nearly full monk and I be one of the 2 damage dealer (1 ele 1 me, 1ss 1mm)
And every mob is dead after a minute (I mean the mob as whole)

my question to you is, how can you mobius chain when EVERYTHING<excluding bosses> dies from 1 death blossom, there is no chance to mobius->death blossom because mobius cant be used untill AFTER a dual attack....., your statement fails, seeing as how you cant use a dual attack that kills and then use mobius on a new npc

Bobby2 · Sep 10, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Heh. Make up your mind whether you want to
- DB spam for AoE pressure (packing Scan for key foes)
- Abuse imba PvE dmg buffs for single target spiking ([[assassin's promise])

newai, no matter how much you argue...

[way of the assassin] is still a crap skill.

Get.
Something.
Better.

Bowstring Badass · Sep 10, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by petrorabbit

Maybe because sometimes, my goal is not consistent dps, but to bring down a target as fast as possible with spike damage?

Didn't we go over this already?

Then vamp would be your best bet? Honestly sundering is bad leave it for scythes and hammers.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Heh. Make up your mind whether you want to
- DB spam for AoE pressure (packing Scan for key foes)
- Abuse imba PvE dmg buffs for single target spiking ([[assassin's promise])

newai, no matter how much you argue...

[way of the assassin] is still a crap skill.

Get.
Something.
Better.

How about [critical agility] with [moebius strike]?

Honestly that pve skill never leaves my sin bar in PvE. Then you can abuse [asuran scan] or ["I am the Strongest"] and ["save yourselves"]

Tyla · Sep 10, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Sundering is only good for spiking with axes, and possibly camping with scythes and hammers. Keep in mind that spiking is more of a PvP tactic than anything else aswell.

Taisayacho · Sep 10, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Asguard

my question to you is, how can you mobius chain when EVERYTHING<excluding bosses> dies from 1 death blossom, there is no chance to mobius->death blossom because mobius cant be used untill AFTER a dual attack....., your statement fails, seeing as how you cant use a dual attack that kills and then use mobius on a new npc

Lead > Off-hand > DB > Moebius > DB > etc. Simple.

Tyla · Sep 10, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

He means that if an enemy dies before Moebius Strike, you can't get the bonus of MS.

Taisayacho · Sep 10, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Oh. Well then.

I still think MS is a way better choice than WotA, especially when you have Crit Agility on your bar. But I think that's been said about a bazillion times already on this thread.